Herb Kauderer and Alan Katerinsky:
Orthopedic Horseshoes

A show where cranky old men discourse
on American Society and media.
3/1/14: “THE POWER OF THE PLAIN TALE”
Al is in the studio again this month, and Herb is in the field talking with Ed Greenwood at SFContario. Ed is a prolific fantasy novelist, and the creator of Dungeons & Dragons Forgotten Realms. Ed and Herb talk about “Like a Virgin”; ‘The Man Who Would Be King’; “It’s all about entertaining people;” Joyce Carol Oates; how not to cut off your fingers with a bandsaw; sports metaphors in sex scenes; the writer as interior decorator, the editor as construction crew defending her walls; the irksomeness of unfinished series; Brother Cadfael; not dying well; Lin Carter as editor and pastiche writer; Terry Pratchett on witches and page-turning; see Lassie play a dog; Erle Stanley Gardner’s short stories; ‘Tristram Shandy’; the magic of kids losing themselves in reading; fiction as a way bypassing the IRB; ‘Excaliber’; ‘Games of Thrones’; something small and noble; “I got to hold the magic in my hand. When do I get to do it again?” ‘The Princess Bride’; different nobilities in the Lord of the Rings; Donald E. Westlake’s Dortmunder books; and eternally appealing plot tropes including the satisfaction of watching irksome people who use words like irksome get their comeuppance. Recorded by Herb Kauderer. Consider “liking” Orthopedic Horseshoes on FaceBook. Music by Mari McNeil.

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2/28/13: "HAVE THE WEREWOLVES ORDER OUT FOR PIZZA"
Al is the studio this month, and Herb interviews Anne Bishop at the Eericon SF convention held by the Buffalo Fantasy League. Anne is the New York Times bestselling author of fifteen books of (mostly) dark fantasy. Herb and Anne talk about outlets for crankiness, vampires and werewolves and grizzlies, oh my! Anne talks about a world where humans are the minority, the wolf and the vampire who ran a book shop, a world that's not your Buffalo, and its maps. Anne sets out some of the rules for a world where humans are meat, starting with "don't eat the help if they want to quit." Anne's upcoming works 'Written in Red' (a novel) and "A Strand in the Web" (a novella) in the anthology 'Stranded' are discussed, along with the unlikelihood of spaceships and unicorns. Herb asks if life is already on its second chance, and the effects of litigation on ebook sales. Howling as small group therapy is considered as well as electronic linking functions versus word of mouth. Herb notes the coolness of 'Predictably Irrational', and Anne stresses that it's all about the journey. Recorded by Alan Katerinsky and Herb Kauderer. Feedback welcome at orthopedichorseshoes@yahoo.com. Consider “liking” Orthopedic Horseshoes on FaceBook. Music by Mari McNeil.

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1/31/13 REJECTOMANCY
Alan Katerinsky interviews Lawrence Watt Evans at WSFA's CapClave SF convention. They talk about 'One-Eyed Jack', the body count of adventure stories, Ethshar, 'Split Heirs' (written with Esther Friesner), The Fall of the Sorcerers series, Scaramouche as Luke Skywalker, and how Boston driving is like killing the Deathstar. Then Lawrence and Al get literary and discuss Murray Leinster, secondary characters in 'Tomb of Dracula', Zelazny and the throw-away scene, an 8 year-old's birthday party, Russian Guns, Predator novels, subways in L.A., mocking 'Melrose Place', bad translations in comic books, war comics, 'Enemy Ace', the charm of 'Jonah Hex', rejectomancy, and the amateurishness of worrying about cliches instead of worrying about being boring. Recorded by Alan Katerinsky and Herb Kauderer. Feedback welcome at orthopedichorseshoes@yahoo.com. Consider “liking” Orthopedic Horseshoes on FaceBook. Music by Mari McNeil.

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12/02/12 Orthopedic Horseshoes returns with our fortieth show
featuring guest Charles E. Gannon at WSFA's CapClave SF convention. Alan and Charles talk about secondary characters, Herman Wouk's 'Winds of War', professional soldiers, lawn darts, tsunamis, EMPs, Extremis, Analog, SF conventions as inherently democratic, e.e. cummings, large faceless organizations, the defects of its virtues, seeking rather than promulgating expressions of feelings. Recorded by Alan Katerinsky and Herb Kauderer. Feedback welcome at orthopedichorseshoes@yahoo.com. Consider “liking” Orthopedic Horseshoes on FaceBook. Music by Mari McNeil.
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March 2011 (posted July 15, 2011): WHATEVER FEEDS YOU
Herb and Al talk about attending a brand new SF convention named SF Contario in Toronto. At the con Al joined in the koffee klatsch hosted by Julie Czernada and recorded another facet of convention life for our listeners. In the klatsch Julie Czernada talks about being an editor for ‘Tesseracts’. Julie talks with Alan and other coffee klatschers about having panelist mojo with Peter Watts, science fiction in the class room, literacy in Nebraska, using the “e” word, learning curves, the tools to appreciate the science side of life, editing choke points, ‘Hidden in Sight’, being in the zone, the Esen books, ‘Rift in the Sky’, changing genres, changing names, J. M. Frey, ‘Search Image’, how much of her writing is research, stepping in manure, seven years a-writing, ‘Species Imperative’, Elvis stories, everybody’s everything, the Philip K. Dick Award, FaceBooking, the kindness of stealth re-introductions, and more. Recorded by
Alan Katerinsky and Herb Kauderer. Engineering help by Dan Gurzynski. Feedback welcome at orthopedichorseshoes@yahoo.com. Consider “liking” Orthopedic Horseshoes on FaceBook.
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2/28/11 OUT FOR COFFEE WITH THE GUYS
At last Astronomicon, Herb, Al, & Mike Resnick went out for coffee, and left the recorder on. The results were loud, libelous, and profane. After judicious editing to eliminate the libelous and profane, the result is the somewhat delayed February show as Herb tells of meeting Joe Haldeman by bidding against him in a charity auction. The guys talk about Talbot Mundy, John D. MacDonald, Tros of Samothrace, The Lost World, R. A. Lafferty, Virginia Kidd, Alfred Bester, Cordwainer Smith, the cause of the New Wave of SF, William Tenn, Robert Sheckley, Malzberg’s style, Riverworld, Phil Farmer, GURPS, ‘Dimensions of Sheckley’, Thaddeus Flint, ‘Sideshow’, ‘Tales of the Galactic Sideshow’, ‘The Elephant Man’, Frank Robinson, Robinson’s Hugo, Keith Laumer, ‘Louisiana Purchase’, changing sides of the aisle, Will McDermott, getting lost approaching Boston, Chicago’s Loop, Mike’s poetry career, Silky Sullivan, Iron Poet Haiku, pretension, poetry coming out of Al’s butt, and the nature of fans. Feedback welcome at orthopedichorseshoes@yahoo.com.
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1/14/11 FORCED TO BE THE TOOTH FAIRY
The much delayed January show makes its debut with Herb & Alan discussing storytelling, and Al telling some stories with punchlines. The rest of the Storytelling panel from Confluence makes its appearance discussing the didactic nature of storytelling, ‘Everything Bad is Good for You’, ‘The Social Construction of Reality’, obeying society, refusing to wear the tutu, Arthur’s tooth hunt, the Sapir-Worf Hypothesis, who do we have the best insults for, the enabling function of language and story, the obligatory cute meetings of romantic comedy, questioning the obsolescence of poetry, bad poetry, the utility of poetry, Fritz Leiber’sThe Big Time’, dactylic hexameter, and “Evangeline”. As a special treat, Pete Grubbs plays a few impromptu tunes in the Confluence hospitality suite, including “From a Distance”, “Oh, My Arwen”, and “Antagonistic Anatomy”. Check out his new video “Waitin’ for the Change to Come” on YouTube.  Feedback welcome at orthopedichorseshoes@yahoo.com.
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12/31/10: HOW MUCH CREAM CHEESE DOES IT TAKE TO KILL A THIEF?
Al & Herb actually present half discussion panel on Storytelling & Oral History recorded at the Confluence SF Convention outside Pittsburgh PA. Herb moderates as Alan Irvine and John Alfred Taylor discourse on the nature of story, and media of deliveries. The guys discuss Socrates, Ezra Pound, the recreation of stories, the mutability of media, “and then I died,” William Tenn, separating the words from the speaker, “Stone Soup,” tone as a tool to gain acess much needed rest room, ‘Gone with the Wind,’ the persnickety use of words, the coin of our willing suspension of disbelief, Joseph Campbell, ‘Ali Baba and the 40 Thieves,’ “death to mammoths,” our hardwired brains, a cranky audience, ‘Kick-Ass,’ shaggy dog stories, “Beam me up, Scotty” versus ‘I grok Spock,’ language as key to memory, getting into the head of a wild boar, Robert A. Heinlein, ‘The Dark Knight,’ and the fact that we don’t need to believe it to enjoy it. Back in the studio Al proposes the traveling university of SF conventions. Recorded by Herb Kauderer & Dan Gurzynski. Feedback welcome at orthopedichorseshoes@yahoo.com.
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11/30/10 THE DECLINE OF BOOKSTORES AND THE RETURN OF TRAINS
Al & Herb catch up on old interviews and old technologies including subways, trolleys, elevated trains, busses, Buffalo mass transit, declining brick and mortar bookstores, and a lot more crankiness. Novelist S. C. Butler speaks of railroads, commuting, rubbing elbows, and the rare wonderfulness of New York City subways and trolleys. Two-time Campbell nominee Nick DiChario relates his experience as a bookstore owner away from the big block stores. He ponders the future of independent bookstores and the six dollar latte. Hugo & Nebula winning author Mike Resnick reminisces about his brief tenure as a publisher of mass-market paperbacks. He recalls the machinegun wars of distributors in the 1960s. Back in studio, Al & Herb discuss the changing nature of knowledge versus information, print books as a specialty item, digital rights, the approaching information singularity, and extreme focus.  The fact-proof screen of the masses without the debunking influence of the –printed- word.  Recorded by Herb Kauderer & Dan Gurzynski. Feedback welcome at orthopedichorseshoes@yahoo.com.
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10/30/10 BLACK WIDOW SPIDERS COLLECTING ON THE PATIO
Novelist and screenwriter John DeChancie sits and chats with Al and Herb at Confluence. The conversation roams across Pittsburgh, Buffalo, the sweet smell of Los Angeles, ComiCon, Al’s attempts to get into the movies, talking the talk in Hollywood, a house in the desert, making a spider look sheepish, classical piano, Barry N. Malzberg, Nick DiChario, Mike Resnick, “print geeks rule”, Robert J. Sawyer, ‘Mars We Love You’, author garb, getting a rise out of writers, people who don’t get enough attention in their real lives, universal experiences, the decline of publishing, hellfire & brimstone, and real-life torture. Recorded by Alan Katerinsky & Dan Gurzynski. Feedback welcome at orthopedichorseshoes@yahoo.com.
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9/30/10 COINS LIKE DUST
Hugo, Nebula, WFA, and Sturgeon award-winning author Michael Swanwick talks with Herb & Al about his travels through Russia, and the resultant stories. Michael tells stories about Dagter & Sir Plus, Russian fans, flavors of Russian police, the aftermaths of WWII, Yekaterinburg, ‘Dancing with Bears’, post-utopian fiction, Fritz Leiber, Fafhrd & the Gray Mouser, “Coming Attractions”, Libertarian Russia, the train across Siberia, and “Pushkin the American”.  After the closing credits, hear an excerpt from Michaels Swanwick’s reading of “The Pearls of Byzantium” at the Confluence SF Convention. Recorded by Herb Kauderer, Alan Katerinsky, & Dan Gurzyinski. Feedback welcome at orthopedichorseshoes@yahoo.com.
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8/30/10: MOMENTS WITH THE BIG BOYS
Al & Herb have an extended conversation with Hugo, Nebula, WFA, and Sturgeon award-winning author Michael Swanwick. As the party evolves, they talk about “Foresight,” reversed consciousness, ‘Jack Faust,’ the shortest chapter ever, Fritz Leiber, flash fiction, abecedaries, The Sleep of Reason, Goya’s donkey, Clarion West, Tuckerization, Elaina the Man-hearted, winning his first Hugo, Jack Dann, Joe Haldeman, Samuel R. Delany, first moments with the big boys, telling Neil Gaiman stories, Terry Pratchett, signing autographs in China, the thatched hut of Thu Du, a tourist attraction for over a thousand years, it would be worth being fat if you could live in Chengdu, visiting the world, eventually getting some seniority, and a menagerie of pet peeves .
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7/9/10 THOSE OLD TIME CONVENTIONS
In the third part of the David & Ruth Kyle interview they talk with Herb & Shannon Kauderer about old time SF conventions, conventions that once upon a time were all in one place, Harlan Ellison, the Ancient Honorable Order of St. Fantony, SUNY Potsdam, Wayne Brown, Astronomicon, John Flore, George Pal, 4:00 in the morning, actual projections, the Starfire Award, Heinlein’s unproduced television scripts, Heinlein’s beliefs on an early cosmonaut, Sam Moskowitz, a bomb shelter at the foot of NORAD, the Broadmoor, and Worldcon 2009. In the studio, Herb and Al Katerinsky go on to reminisce about Worldcon 2004, and Worldcon 1983, Connect-a-con, Marcon, Worldcon 1973, Fred Pohl, Terry Pratchett, Albacon, the sex life of the naked mole rat, singing doo-wop with Paul Levinson, big deal science fiction authors, and a big extended family of strange people. Recorded by Herb Kauderer. Feedback welcomed at orthopedichorseshoes@yahoo.com.
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